This was posted back in January, thought I should add a few more pointers. The market can be mad or even maddening but we cannot afford to be either. Successful people have that quiet confidence about them, and in the way they carry out each project. Confidence can be in your own abilities and with a distinct minimal fear of failure.

The trouble is when you make investment choices based on "madness" or rage. Then there is over confidence, or rather a blatant disregard of the consequences (can only focus on the positive consequences), and an abject disregard of the fear of failure. Both scenarios are terrible choices.
Again, the key word is "choice", its a choice we make. The quiet confidence that people have stems from how they faced previous successes and failures. They take both into their strides, never letting one to bog them down or lift them up too high from learning more. Too many people just dwell on their failures too long, always thinking "what if". This is a sickness, too many people face failures by dwelling in depression, its a kind of self pity treatment ... oh, woe is me, look how sad and broken I am ... Successful people also have their share of failures, its how they deal with them that separates them from the boys.
Warren Buffett says the investor's greatest enemy is themselves. Every investor will have their own tale of letting emotions get the better of them, whether it's getting sucked into the hype or failing to cut your losses.
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The markets are bizarre and silly. How else to explain a financial history littered with booms and busts? To believe the market is always rational is like saying people never let their emotions - greed, fear, whatever - get the better of common sense. Once you accept that basic truth, it's time to recognise your own biases and mental rules of thumb, which can lead you to make poor decisions.
Let's start with a basic question: are you a better-than-average investor? Most of us will answer: of course I am. And it's not just amateurs. If you are NOT, why are you still dabbling in the markets? If you think you are, do you know why? If you cannot answer one of the two or both, you should not be playing shares.
If you think you are, surveys showed that more than 70% tend to believe they are better than the average investor. Nothing wrong with a bit of self-belief, is there? In fact, being overly optimistic about one's own abilities is one of the most prevalent mental biases and also one of the most dangerous one. That's because overconfidence can lead to overtrading, which studies have shown leads to individual investors drastically underperforming the market.

Seriously, we all cannot be better than average ... certainly a large portion of us are very wrong! So, being realistic about your own abilities is important, yet it's something that eludes most of us. It's also against our nature to be contrarian. Uncomfortable alone, we seek the safety of the crowd, sometimes with disastrous consequences.
Psychologists use a theory known as "cognitive dissonance" to help explain the persistence of booms and busts. It means most of us feel anxious when faced with conflicting beliefs. So, to assuage this feeling, we tend to gravitate towards new information that supports what we want to believe. To get rid of this nasty feeling of dissonance we may also change our previous feelings or thoughts on a subject.

Seriously, we all cannot be better than average ... certainly a large portion of us are very wrong! So, being realistic about your own abilities is important, yet it's something that eludes most of us. It's also against our nature to be contrarian. Uncomfortable alone, we seek the safety of the crowd, sometimes with disastrous consequences.
Psychologists use a theory known as "cognitive dissonance" to help explain the persistence of booms and busts. It means most of us feel anxious when faced with conflicting beliefs. So, to assuage this feeling, we tend to gravitate towards new information that supports what we want to believe. To get rid of this nasty feeling of dissonance we may also change our previous feelings or thoughts on a subject.
For example, you may have been the most rational of property investors, insisting on a reasonable rental yield before buying. But as the property market inflated, you started looking for reasons to no longer stick to your investing rules: for example, by saying that property was in a "new paradigm" where the old rules no longer apply. Its the same old argument, "this time its different", ... they are never different, just new idiots blowing the same horn every few years.
Human psychology is very important to investing. Why do you think so many people hold on to stocks that are dogs, and never let their profits run. They take minimal gains but ride the down trend in losses like piss poor performing CEOs. Its BECAUSE, we hate losses more than we LOVE gains. Its BECAUSE we remember LOSSES more than gains. You make RM10,000 ... ha-ha, you are happy for a couple of days ... you lose RM10,000 .. you are miserable for a whole month, always thinking what RM10,000 could have bought you and your family. If you have that mentality still, don't play stocks.

How does one become a better than average investor, don't even say super market player? I doubt very much one can be great by studying the books. I mean we get tons of super brainy people graduating with honours in corporate finance and/or MBA all the time ... and say these people go on to study religiously the ways and strategies of Buffett, Soros, Graham-Doddsville, Ben Graham, Peter Lynch, Bruce Berkowitz, etc... - can they then be superior investors?
I don't have to answer that because the reality is for all to see, an emphatic NOOOOO. Investing is quite silly and befuddling. We try to regard it as a "subject" that can be studied, I mean if a person is brainy and wants to be a doctor, you will eventually be one by getting the degree, and if one wants to be a surgeon, he can go for more studies and training, and he will be a surgeon, he can be a better surgeon by learning all the time about the latest equipment and research findings and hone his/her skills .... you put in so much, you get so much output and benefits ... but the same cannot be said about investing, its not like you put in so much, you will end up a better investor!!!

I think investing is a like a growing mass of blob or astronomy, the more you know, the more you don't know. Does it mean that if you are a superior analyst for 20 years that you will see a similar track record when you become a fund manager? No. Does it mean if you are a brilliant performer when your portfolio is $2mn that you can then manage similar returns with a $200m portfolio? No.
For many people, we just want to beat the market consistently. Is that a futile effort? I don't think so. I believe there are many that can beat the markets consistently but must also be cognizant of a few truths:
a) no matter how good you are in investing, you will never have a perfect batting record, I believe superior investors will make money in 6 or 7 out of every 10 trades ... if you are not so good your averages will dwindle.
b) if (a) is a truth, then we must let our profits run and know how to minimise our losses, we must not let our losses get us down or get angry and try to average down aggressively again and again - that's like not acknowledging the first time you bought was a mistake (timing wise or valuation wise) and just stubbornly holding on to the hope that you are still right.

c) cutting your losses is something many "aunties" (I use that term not to describe all aunties but male/female who just cannot bear to cut losses) will never do, they just keep holding and holding until they have 30 stocks in the portfolio.
d) you must know that the market is bigger than any kind of technicals or fundamentals, even Public Bank will go down if the overall market is going down, can always buy back later ... e.g. if you hold a stock at entry price of RM3.00 and it went to RM3.60 but you did not sell, it goes back to RM3.00 and you hate yourself, but you know its a good stock so you hold on, then the market turns and it goes to RM2.60, you hate yourself even more but is unwilling to cut, it then goes to RM2.20 and you have no more money to average down ... yes if fundamentals is intact it will go back to RM3.00 but what was the opportunity cost??? It may have taken 3 or 6 months to see that thing climb back. If you had cut at RM2.80 ... you could have bought back at RM2.30 and ride it on the way up. Another point, if you had cut at RM2.80 and did not buy at RM2.20 and then recovers swiftly to RM3.00, even at RM3.10 or RM3.20 you should still go back in (something the majority will NEVER get themselves to do) ... which leads to my next reality.
e) The same stock may be RM2.20 or RM3.00 or RM3.50 and still look good depending on the state of the markets. Buying when it recovers back to RM3.20 may be a good move because the overall condition of the market has improved markedly. Selling the same stock at a loss at RM2.50 my be a good move because the downside or downtrend looks to be quite prolonged.
f) Fixating our basis of fair value. We use anchor and adjust too much in investing. If we had bought SP Setia-WB at RM2.00 and did not sell at RM2.30, we still use RM2.00 as your ultimate reference price, hence when it dips to RM1.50, you think its a good buy because to you this thing cost RM2.00 a couple of weeks ago. You know, and only you know RM2.00 was a "fair price" because the share price has NO recollection that its fair value was RM2.00. Fair value is a moving term, its not formed in an unmovable statue carving. Fair value is dependent of the state of markets. If it has fallen to RM1.50, then RM1.50 is your only reference price, not RM2.00. (p/s SP Setia-WB has gone to below 40 sen ... where is "fair value" now?)

g) never belittle a trend, be it upside or downside, is it better to buy at RM1.80 and then later at RM1.50 and then later at RM1.20 ... 3 times in a down trending market as they all represent value? Or is it better to buy after it has hit a low of RM1.20 and then moved back up to RM1.80, and then only buy at RM1.80 - its the latter of course because when you buy at RM1.80 in the latter's case the trend is favourable and market conditions have improved. Must learn not to say "aiyah, it was RM1.30, wanted to buy then but did not" ... that is always only uttered by the usual market losers, I can guarantee you that.
h) Woulda, coulda, shoulda ... stop thinking like the people talking rots at kopitiams because those sentiments will never get you anywhere and always uttered by people who will fail at most things they do in life. Learn, keep learning, give yourself the integrity of bypassing the "woulda, coulda, shoulda", move on ... what you did not do means diddlysquat to you and to all.
So, if you think certain books or courses can help you be a better investor, by all means do it, there is no magic "model" that is out there. If there is, you better believe that it will be selling for millions of dollars. Investing is a large unknown just like your brainpower usage rate, you might know 3% of the whole thing but if something can help you get to 4%, and improve your batting average, how can that hurt.
So, in the end all the gurus are just people who have 5%-6% knowledge of the topic compared to the average investor who may be at 3% ... overall, in that light no one is a guru, not even Buffett.
The market does not owe us a living. How to be surefire winner in the markets - don't be a buyer of shares, be an issuer of shares ... ; )
30 comments:
Excellent explanations on fair value, law of averages and particularly the psychology of anchoring which I think hits most people whether or not they realize it.
Thanks for the reminder and the gorgeous pictures of Maya Karin :D
This is very true. To add further, investor must review his portfolio base on the presented and unpresented net income position. This give the clear position the total gain if were exit the market completely the same day. Generally doing profit at 6 to 7 trades out of 10 is relatively a very good investor as mentioned.
Hi S.Dali,
Thank you for the sharing.
It is perfectly describe the emotions that we encounter when the price range fluctuate.
Regarding to your point d), may I know you were referring the EOD price or the daily price range counted in for the decision making as well :-)
Regards,
Buyer
i am surprised that u talked abt mkt trends. I thot you would be more of a value investor.
For me, I dont bother to time the mkt. I find cheap and undiscovered stocks and sit down on them.
When facts changed or better ones comes along or potential realised , then I would switch.
I thot it is strange that you talked abt mkt timing. I thot u are more of a value investor.
hi im new to stocks,just registered with ECM.Your blog is fantastic.it will be very helpful for me in this confusing world of stock market.
hoping for the best, wish you all the success.
I agree with your views and if you stick to the fundamentl stocks like kumpulan fima, and others which you had given your views in your blog at the end of tghe day you are a winner
More importantly, humans have too much biases that impair their ability to think rationally although logical thought have lead them to a correct direction. Heuristics, or rule of thumb, are not necessarily "ok" to be used, especially in an investing environment whereby there's just too much uncertainties around that needs to be clarified in order to make a sound judgement.
"Successful trading is always an emotional battle for the speculator, not an intellectual battle." Jesse Livermore
Hi Dali,
I believe in "take what the market gives you, DONT try to take what you want from the market"
For one to 'win' 3 others must lose.
I think if I could help you sum it up it's emotion (be it fear or greed) and also, let's be honest.. if you say, its dropping, sell it fast and then pick it up.. one thing is its easy to say looking back with the benefit of history but when you're in that situation, you wish you have a crystal ball!
That said investing is hard indeed... not a science.
Heard of Magic Formula Investing before?
http://joecashflow.blogspot.com/2011/01/no-time-to-invest-try-joel-greenblatts.html
I'm one of such aunties...sayang to let go. tho I have to :(
Excellent read for noobs like me... Thank you :)
kwong72,
i think if u read my comments throughout, i categorise myself as a value-momentum investor ... so timing is important for me
as for the usual comments that i only write about stocks that have surged ... well, that is part n parcel of my strategy, i am not shy about a stock that has been rising, its up to us to look at why and whether there is further upside
i saw the reading materials of a RM5,000 technical software system, thats even worse, but has merits, they really rate stocks that have pushed through their all time highs as great buys
we all try to spot good ones before they move ... if they move within a week, its LUCK ... they will take 3, 6 or 12 months before moving ... thats value investing ... there are plenty of bloggers to do that, I am too hyper to do that
any good stock pick to keep over CNY?
ok, since there's quite a few comments here and we're talking about cutting losses; -
Some people have a strict discipline. Gain or loss of 10%, they will dispose. What say all of you?
Cheers... :)
To simplify investment
"Buy when there is blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own".
Its ok to sell early. Rothschild
Can take it up, must be able to put it down. Cannot put it down, then don't take it up at the first place..
Cheers :)
Happy investing to all folks
Fantastic write-up...Thanks for SHARING....!!
FANTASTIC write-up...!! Thank you for SHARING...!! May GOD bless YOU...!!
Thank you Dali. You are a brilliant teacher of investment. You must be a highly successful investment guru in real life.
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either issuer of shares, or get free shares
one of ur best thoughts in a while... good on u.
Hi Sal.Dali
Thanks for the good post.
TEH
Thanks for an excellent post Dali.!!
Wish this could be said for some of our EPF.
Could we have your 2c on the latest proposal by the govt of raising the retirement age to 60 and also the postponement of lump sum withdrawals (which I think is massive from baby boomers retiring!!). Implications are huge.
Useful blog and astute observation of investing in the local stock market.
The basic for investment, indeed.
Hey.. how about some some classic Rosemund Kwan pics. Timeless beauty.
Eddie
good explanation. thank you
good explanation
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